2009-09-08

A Frank Discussion With A White Person About Racism

Jovent aka Mr. Man @ mrm9114@gmail.com has bestowed upon me an email. Apparently I touched a nerve with my last post. Then this guy came in and confirmed my beliefs about racism. He also claims only black people like Angelina Jolie and Jessice Biel. LOL The majority of personal emails I receive from white people are of this ilk. The belief is that blacks have privilege, that we all benefit from Affirmative Action, that whites and other races don't benefit from it, blacks are less intelligent, and blacks are not accountable for their own actions and use racism as a scapegoat.

I wonder does he realize he is the epitome of the white racist stereotype I put forth in my last post. So if my opinions you feel are skewed, this might be why.

From: Mr man
Date: Sep 4, 2009 9:28pm
Subject: Your comments are one's I'm too familiar with.
To: siditty@gmail.com
CC:

There are so many mistakes here that it is hard to know where to begin. Your comments are one's I'm too familiar with.

You said: "In terms of whites co-opting black stereotypes, I can only say this, this sounds mean, but whites have a habit of taking or co-opting things without acknowledging where those things come from." This is very much in accord with anti-white bias that pervades contemporary culture. The current age casts white culture by turns as stultifying, spoiled, rapacious, and backwards. We are the only race that has nothing to recommend it.

This statement by you is to convince your readers that this view, however commonsensical it has become, is entirely inverted. It is an almost inconceivable injustice rooted in a tragic ignorance of history or willful blindness. The world has apparently forgotten Shakespeare was white, Isaac Newton was white, Michelangelo was white. . A full 97 percent of significant scientific figures between 800BC and 1950 have come from the West. Indeed, nearly all the great innovators in science, technology, art, literature, and philosophy have been white. In fact, between the 11th century and 1950, all major technological innovations, from the watch to the steam engine to the computer, came from Europe and the United States. Indeed, white people created the whole moral system that condemns them.

Today the world blames white Americans for slavery but forgets that whites were the first to formulate the concept of human rights that is the basis of this condemnation. Until the 19th century slavery was a universal practice, and Arabs, Africans, and Asians never realized it might be wrong until white people told them so and pressured them to abolish it. The very blog you write was create by whites. Your tv, radio, movies, medicine, cars, airplanes, democracy.

Today big lips and big asses are not considred pretty by white people. Jolie, Beil, Coco are more admired by blacks than white. I don't see coco in any white men mags. Biel is pretty but not for a her ass, and her ass isn't even fat. A very small percentage of WW get botox in their lips or ass implants, Most blk women get their hair straightend, however. Who thinks Timberlake is the best entertainr? Most of his fans are blk. Also, Rap is crap. Vanalia Ice was never more popular than LL Cool J. White people invented movies but most blk people's favorite movies are blk movies. People relate more to their own kind. You're just so myopic you can't understand that.

Whites don't want a discussion on race, because in reality, that discussion would hurt your feelings." Didn't you just make an assumption of what whites think with this statement? This perspective results in a blatantly biased interpretation of American history that universally casts whites as villains and non-whites as victims. Injustice flows in one direction only—from whites to non-whites—and never the other way around. Furthermore, non-whites’ problems are never their own responsibility, but due solely to oppression by whites. You use race as a scapegoat for being a failure in life.

You said" Whites chose to be excluded from the topic of race, they didn't want race relations to change or improve for the most part, black people did, and that is what many whites fail to acknowledge. Whites were for the most part just fine with slavery, and just fine with Jim Crow." If the vast majority of whites were fine with it than why did it end, you moron. Thanks in part to the efforts of the majority of Americans who were not slaves and who are not black, blacks in America today are the richest and freest blacks on God's green earth. Richer and freer than black citizens of any black nation in the world. Your racial indictment of white America is a house of cards built with a stacked deck. The acts undertaken by Americans and their government over the next hundred years, which have had world ramifications for minorities and oppressed people everywhere, including the civil rights battles to end segregation and discrimination, the trillions of dollars devoted to economic programs and affirmative action plans designed to uplift the poor generally and blacks in particular. These are all dismissed.

You said: "When white people do include themselves in the debate and actually "get it", they are viewed as race traitors and dismissed by fellow whites. Jane Elliot and Tim Wise are perfect examples of this." Leftwing race activist (and self-flagellating white male) Tim Wise is a piece of work. Wise is a self-hater. No doubt about it. His goal is an excuse to bash whites and promote minority racism and leftist notions of social justice.

You said: "In post-racial America, whites have made it loud and clear what they think about a black President, over and over and over again. Wow, you're so ignorant. A few screwballs are pulling their kids out of school, so that represents most whites? This is a perfct example of black privilege. A blk person can say whatever they want about a white person and no one thinks anything of it. However, if someone hates Obama for his idiotic policies than they're racist, as if the far left never called Bush a nazi? Youre so myopic.

You said: Racism is NOT AN OPINION, it is not made up in people's heads. When you go to an office and see the only black people working there are in "lower" positions. You see it when you managed to get hired and your co-workers with less experience and education make more than you. You see it when your HR department does an audit on salaries and education and note that the few minorities and women who work in the same jobs as their white counterparts have significantly more education and experience, but make less money." Th only blk people working in lower positions because they have no education. That isn't racism. You can't give me 5 examples of co-workers with less education or experience making more than somebody else. It's against the law, and you're just pulling stats out of your ass as usaual. If there is differnce in pay it's less than a quarter for every dollar. That isn't a significant difference in pay. You're just plain making shit up again. You're trying to play the victim because you're jealous. When you see fuck ups and losers you ask your self why? It couldn't possibly be their fault. Black people can never be held respossible for themselves, lets scapegoat whites again.

Results of culturally-neutral IQ tests across the globe consistently show that blacks have lower intelligence than whites no matter what the social context. There is no denying that affirmative action permeates American business, government, and education, and there is also no denying that it is Black privilege. WW, Asains don't benefit from Affirmative action at all. Balcks think these groups do, but if you look at the stats, ww and asains don't benefit from AA. WW and Asains get into places based on merit. If whites are more successful than blacks and Hispanics then, it is not because the game is rigged in our favor, but because of innate differences among the races in the traits that lead to accomplishment, like intelligence and providence.


From: siditty@gmail.com
Date: Sep 5, 2009 6:36am
Subject: Re: Your comments are one's I'm too familiar with.
To: Mr man
CC:

My Response:

"This statement by you is to convince your readers that this view, however commonsensical it has become, is entirely inverted. It is an almost inconceivable injustice rooted in a tragic ignorance of history or willful blindness. The world has apparently forgotten Shakespeare was white, Isaac Newton was white, Michelangelo was white. . A full 97 percent of significant scientific figures between 800BC and 1950 have come from the West. Indeed, nearly all the great innovators in science, technology, art, literature, and philosophy have been white. In fact, between the 11th century and 1950, all major technological innovations, from the watch to the steam engine to the computer, came from Europe and the United States. Indeed, white people created the whole moral system that condemns them. "

Yes we live in the West, the west has colonized the world, of course it appears anything of worth came from the west. The fact is that many things of science and math didn't always come from white people, I know you don't know because you don't study them, but feel free to learn about base 10 and base 20 concept in West Africa or the concept of the counting stick in South Africa in 35000 B.C. That they also were using Algebra in East and West Africa. Just because your teacher didn't teach you this, but rather what they did in Europe doesn't mean us negroes were all sitting on our asses doing nothing, like people like you think of when you think of us "dumb negroes".

White people did not create morality, that to say such is completely and utterly dumb, ignorant, and racist.

"Today the world blames white Americans for slavery but forgets that whites were the first to formulate the concept of human rights that is the basis of this condemnation. Until the 19th century slavery was a universal practice, and Arabs, Africans, and Asians never realized it might be wrong until white people told them so and pressured them to abolish it. The very blog you write was create by whites. Your tv, radio, movies, medicine, cars, airplanes, democracy"

I guess white people forget to tell themselves it was bad, because it was still going on in the 19th century in America, and then after the Civil War we had slavery, better known as share cropping and then we had the advent of Jim Crow or systemized, legalized oppression of black people. Maybe whites shouldn't be involved with telling others what to do, until they fix themselves. America received pressure from other whites, but in America, slavery was business as usual.

"The acts undertaken by Americans and their government over the next hundred years, which have had world ramifications for minorities and oppressed people everywhere, including the civil rights battles to end segregation and discrimination, the trillions of dollars devoted to economic programs and affirmative action plans designed to uplift the poor generally and blacks in particular. These are all dismissed."

It's funny how you think Affirmative Action mostly benefits blacks, it doesn't. It appeases whites like you who think blacks are less intelligent, less hard working, and less important than white people. It benefits white women way more than it ever did blacks, which is why college enrollment of white women is now surpassing white men.

I knew Tim Wise would be considered a "self hater" by you LOL

"A few screwballs are pulling their kids out of school, so that represents most whites? This is a perfct example of black privilege. A blk person can say whatever they want about a white person and no one thinks anything of it. However, if someone hates Obama for his idiotic policies than they're racist, as if the far left never called Bush a nazi? Youre so myopic"

You forget the tea baggers and the birthers in the group of screwballs. It is one thing to not like his policies, it is another to constantly question his right to even be President, even though he won the majority vote and the electoral college. Bush lost the majority vote and still became President, why were these same people not questioning him? You don't see the double standard because as a typical white person in your mind white people are inherently put in their positions without question. I've never called Bush a Nazi. I didn't like him as my governor or president, but I didn't go around calling him a Nazi nor did I see the media or major politicians or analysts refer to him as a Nazi. Obama is a different story. I am still awaiting my black privilege, I think I will be waiting for a while on that LOL. I think you inspired my next post.

" You can't give me 5 examples of co-workers with less education or experience making more than somebody else. It's against the law, and you're just pulling stats out of your ass as usaual."

LOL I gave you a huge example, I love how you excluded what happened to my father in his company, him and his black co-workers had that happen to them. The average white in the same position had two years of college and made more money. The average non-white had a Master's degree and made less. To avoid a lawsuit this was abruptly changed, but it was a definite example of how educated black people are told that even with their work experience, education, they still aren't viewed as valuable as their white co-workers. Before you go into the blacks got their degrees in favor of more qualified whites, my father went to the HBCU, and was hired at this company before the advent of Affirmative Action. I also live in Texas, where race based admissions have been banned, and now white people are all up in arms because minority enrollment increased due to Bush, your favorite guy, guaranteeing that if you were in the top 10% of your school, you had automatic admission to any state school of your choice. So explain how more minorities now get into colleges without race based admissions and why white people are still bitching and moaning because their kids didn't study hard enough.


" You're trying to play the victim because you're jealous. When you see fuck ups and losers you ask your self why? It couldn't possibly be their fault. Black people can never be held respossible for themselves, lets scapegoat whites again. "

I played the victim how, by stating FACTS. LOL how pathetic and sad.What proof do you have black people aren't accountable for themselves. Example of typical white racist right there with that comment. You're giving yourself away.

"Results of culturally-neutral IQ tests across the globe consistently show that blacks have lower intelligence than whites no matter what the social context. There is no denying that affirmative action permeates American business, government, and education, and there is also no denying that it is Black privilege. WW, Asains don't benefit from Affirmative action at all."

You are lying, and now pulling facts out your ass. White women are the BIGGEST benefactors of affirmative action, as well as welfare. Asians benefit as they are protected. My IQ is higher than the majority of the American population, so is my brothers, so is my mothers. Are we magical negroes? LOL You are so stupid it isn't even funny.

" WW and Asains get into places based on merit. If whites are more successful than blacks and Hispanics then, it is not because the game is rigged in our favor, but because of innate differences among the races in the traits that lead to accomplishment, like intelligence and providence."

Thanks for your Steve Sailer intellectual racism at the end again proving to me this email was a waste because people like you are too stupid to actually learn anything and will continue to be racist idiots breeding more racist idiots like the cockroach you are.

Again, thanks for proving me right. Thanks for being ignorant, racist, and willful.Thanks for proving that white people have no sense of humanity for people of color.


Here was his response:

From: Mr man
Date: Sep 5, 2009 10:05am
Subject: Re: Your comments are one's I'm too familiar with.
To: siditty@gmail.com
CC:


Fuck YOU CUNT. You're the racist asshole. You couldn't argue any of my points. You just call someone a racist because you can't denate them on issues. FUCK YOU, FUCK YOU. Why the fuck are ou married to a white man?. Why don't you get a life, instea of sitting on your fat ass all day while your white husband works. I fucking hate you and I hope your baby dies. FUCK YOU, FUCK YOU


My response:

From: siditty@gmail.com
Date: Sep 5, 2009 10:18am
Subject: Re: Re: Your comments are one's I'm too familiar with.
To: Mr man
CC:


LOL I did argue your points silly goose. You even asked for examples and I gave you one. How sad and pathetic. I have a life, do you? I'm on bedrest, so yeah I have to sit on my ass all day for a while. It's because of the mixed race baby I am making that you plan on hating and blaming for the downfall of the white man. LOL

I love how you copy paste the same stuff over and over from Stormfront and Steve Sailer by the way. I love it.

Have a good day, don't let the hate get in the way.


What makes all of this funny, is after he sent this email, he sent another trying to prove facts. It was the same stuff copy and pasted off another website, which is par for the course for these type of people. They can never use their own ideas, but rather, copy paste things and say them over and over. I didn't bother at this point to engage in this debate with him, and now he will use that to determine that I am incapable of having civil dialogue, thus proving me inferior, negro intelligence. Like I said before, people will believe what they want to believe.